In the latest smackdown of the big banks making the rounds, namely JP Morgan Chase Bank, Natl. Assn. v Butler, heroic Judge Arthur Schack puts Fannie Mae in her place more than any other judge I’m currently aware of.  He takes Fannie to task over a portion of Fannie’s Servicing Guide (Part VIII, Chapter 1, Section 102) that I have always found shockingly arrogant and at odds with the law.

Schack quotes the whole offending section, but I’ll just give the most arrogant parts:

“Fannie Mae is at all times the owner of the mortgage note, whether the note is in our portfolio or whether we own it as trustee for an MBS trust.In addition, Fannie Mae at all times has possession of and is the holder of the mortgage note, except in the limited circumstances expressly described below.  [SNIP]

[Schack italicizes the following section] In any jurisdiction in which our servicer must be the holder of the note in order to conduct the foreclosure, we temporarily transfer our possession of the note to our servicer, effective automatically and immediately before commencement of the foreclosure proceeding. When we transfer our possession, our servicer becomes the holder of the note during the foreclosure proceedings.  [SNIP]

[Schack also italicizes the following section] This Guide provision may be relied upon by a court to establish that the servicer conducting the foreclosure proceeding has possession, and is the holder, of the note during the foreclosure proceeding, unless the court is otherwise notified by Fannie Mae.”

Schack correctly concludes that “FANNIE MAE’s Servicing Guide, with its deceptive practices to fool courts, does not supercede New York law.”  I had the same thought when I first encountered this fiat decree of Fannie Mae’s when researching my own lawsuit against Fannie Mae and others a couple of years ago.  It is a relief to hear a judge articulate this so starkly.

However, I am somewhat dismayed to read that Schack refers to Fannie Mae as the “owner” of the note and mortgage throughout his decision.  Schack appears to be relying on affidavits from Fannie Mae/Chase types for this information, as he must.  I haven’t read the affidavits on which Schack relied, but I have read information from Fannie Mae’s own trust documentation and website that puts the lie to the idea that Fannie Mae owns anything.

Fannie Mae Tells Us It Owns Nothing

UPDATE 10-8-13!  The document referenced in the following sentence used to say what is quoted below.  However, reader P Nach pointed out that as of 10-8-13, the document no longer makes that statement, and in fact any Google search with “The mortgages that back a Fannie Mae MBS are held in a trust on behalf of Fannie Mae MBS investors and are not Fannie Mae assets” in quotes brings up practically only this site.  Fortunately, back in 2011, I printed out and scanned the page from Fannie’s website that contained this statement.  I have uploaded it here and you can view and download it here–any future readers who may find this link removed or not working, please let me know in comments (UPDATE 10-9-13!  Reader P Nach submitted a Fannie Mae PDF she found which contains the “not assets” statement on page one–link here: 2012 02 06 Fannie Mae-Basics-of-MBS):

Fannie Website states notes not Fannie assets

[ORIGINAL SENTENCE AND LINK: A PDF from Fannie Mae’s own website entitled “Basics of Fannie Mae MBS” explains Fannie Mae’s lack of ownership very simply and succinctly:]

“In general, mortgage-backed securities are commonly called “MBS” or “Pools” but they can also be called “mortgage pass-through certificates.” An investor in a mortgage-backed security — the certificateholder — owns an undivided interest in a pool of mortgages that serves as the underlying asset for the security. Interest payments and principal repayments from the individual mortgage loans are grouped and paid out to investors.

The mortgages that back a Fannie Mae MBS are held in a trust on behalf of Fannie Mae MBS investors and are not Fannie Mae assets. As a Fannie Mae MBS investor, the certificateholder receives a pro rata share of the scheduled principal and interest from mortgagors on the loans backing the security. Interest is paid at a specific interest rate. The certificateholder also receives any unscheduled payments of principal.”

So from the above, we see that Fannie itself says that certificateholders–not Fannie–own the beneficial interest in the mortgage pool (Fannie says in other documentation that it can also purchase these types of certificates, although I haven’t seen any indication that Fannie smokes its own dope).  Even more importantly, we see that Fannie itself says that the mortgages (i.e., the promissory notes) that are supposedly in the pools/trusts are NOT Fannie assets.

The very definition of the term “asset” of course involves “ownership,” as spelled out at Investopedia’s definition of “asset,” which it defines as:

“A resource with economic value that an individual, corporation or country owns or controls with the expectation that it will provide future benefit.”

Therefore, Fannie admits it neither owns nor controls the promissory notes.  So if Fannie Mae itself admits that it does not own the notes and mortgages in the pools, why are Fannie’s goons swearing to Schack that Fannie does own them?

Some people may not be satisfied with such an admission in the text of a website meant to simplify matters.  OK, well how about these jewels from the “Fannie Mae Amended and Restated 2007 Single-Family Master Trust Agreement for Guaranteed Mortgage Pass-Through Certificates evidencing undivided beneficial interests in Pools of Residential Mortgage Loans” dated January 1, 2009:

“By delivering at least one Certificate of a Trust in the manner described in Section 3.1, the Issuer [i.e. Fannie Mae] unconditionally, absolutely and irrevocably sets aside, transfers, assigns, sets over and otherwise conveys to the Trustee [i.e., Fannie Mae], on behalf of related Holders, all of the Issuer’s [Fannie Mae] right, title and interest in and to the Mortgage Loans in the related Pool, together with any Pool Proceeds.”

“Concurrently with the Issuer’s [Fannie Mae] setting aside, transferring, assigning, setting over and otherwise conveying Mortgage Loans to the Trustee for a Trust: (a) the Trustee [Fannie Mae]… acknowledges that it holds all of the related Trust Fund in trust for the exclusive benefit of the related Holders [of certificates issued by the Trust]…”

Note that Fannie Mae as Issuer irrevocably transfers all of its interest to Fannie as Trustee, and that Fannie Mae as Trustee says that it holds all the money in the trust for the exclusive benefit of the certificateholders.  So again, Fannie Mae admits it doesn’t own notes.

Fannie’s Duplicity–All Things To All People?

Notice the duplicity of Fannie Mae made plain in these documents.  In the Fannie Servicing Guide, Fannie’s intended audience is obviously its servicers, so they want the servicers to believe that Fannie Mae is “at all times” both the owner and holder of promissory notes.  However, in the other two documents (the “Basics of Fannie Mae MBS” website excerpt and the Amended 2007 Trust Agreement) excerpted above, Fannie’s intended audience is investors and potential investors, both of whom Fannie wants to believe that they (the investors or potential investors)–and not Fannie–are the owners of the promissory notes.

So why is anyone letting Fannie Mae get away with saying that it owns promissory notes (and by extension the deeds of trust/mortgages) and can foreclose due to that ownership?  Please spread this info far and wide.

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  4. P Nach says:

    ” Even more importantly, we see that Fannie itself says that the mortgages (i.e., the promissory notes) that are supposedly in the pools/trusts are NOT Fannie assets.”

    I can’t find this specific statement in the document mentioned and I believe it is very important to have the right Fannie Mae document to throw in their faces in open court.

    Can you point me in the right direction? Which doc is this exactly or where did you see it on Fannie’s web site?

    Thank you in advance for your help.


  5. eggsistense says:

    You are correct, that statement is not found in the document I linked to. Interestingly enough, the statement WAS there when I linked to the document back in July. Fannie had already scrubbed the statement off its publicly available website where I found it a couple of years ago. I believe I saved the document as a jpg (screenshot). Let me look for it and I will get it to you ASAP.

  6. Wendy S. says:

    But hold on, isn’t Fannie Mae still in receivership with the FDIC? So how can Fannie own *anything*???

    • eggsistense says:

      Even though Fannie is still under the conservatorship of the FHFA, they are still considered by the government to be a private company. That’s what I was told when I FOIA’ed Fannie in ’09 or ’10. So because they’re supposedly still private (despite the bailout and conservatorship), they aren’t subject to FOIA. Pretty convenient. Of course it’s complete BS, but that’s what they told me.

    • Point is they never did own anything period! It has been my belief all along the receivership was to conceal the fraud.

      • eggsistense says:

        Shelley, I have been thinking exactly the same thing, and it ties into why homeowners consistently lose court cases when they shouldn’t. Working on a post about that soon.

      • Yes Freddie and Fannie and the Three Stooges of MERS were all part of a con game using shell companies to conceal defraud and confuse. Have you listened to attorney Pratt stating MERS was formed in the days of the S&L crime waive to skirt around unmovable loans, and boast how MERS moved over a million unmovable loans. That should have put the WA Supreme court justices on their ears. Wake Up Call Judges! Pratt just boasted MERS moved over a million unmovable loans, and was not to save filing fees, but to skirt around unmovable loans. It did both and made the banksters happy. Look up video Bains V MERS oral argument, Melissa Huelsman and you can watch this man admit to a crime and no one blinks an eye. My mouth dropped to the floor.

      • Sure looks like one could ask for judicial notice of the case in this document and demand a return of all stolen property and a stop to the harm and damages of paying for frivolous litigation in order to save our homes from thieves. When the courts judges rules commitee and all AG’s know there are no notes. Then begin cases against all the bankster lawyers and judges for violation of 18USC4 and knowingly harrassment and frivolous law suits with lack of standing. Fraud UPON the Court. The AG’s allowing it all.

  7. Wendy S. says:

    Okay, so if Fannie is the plaintiff, is that possible?

  8. Since most of the government is ran by lawyers perhaps the AG’s are in violation of 18USC4. It includes all officers of the court.


  10. And the assignment trail. I am wondering if we should all send mass letters to our state DOJ and the local police departments and the County Sherriff, with the transcript attached [make it simple for them] and request prosecution of the banks and their lawyers firms and the foreclosing companies and the judges that are breaching their oath of office and violating 18USC4. Among other violations. We have a valid complaint.

  11. eggsistense says:

    I agree, Shelley–we DO have a valid complaint. Which is why they’ll ignore it and pretend not to know what we’re talking about!

    • Certainly wont hurt to try it and send this into the local police departiment and the DOJ , a complaint on the banksters attorneys also. And fraudclosing companies can all be on the list. You dont have to send it to the predators just the police and Sherriff and DOJ and AG

  12. When the FHFA appointed itself conservator of Fannie and Freddie all rights, titles powers and privileges of Fannie and Freddie immediately and by operation of law succeeded to the FHFA. see 12 U.S.C. 4617(b)(2)(A)(i)(ii). The FHFA conservator is the only entity with legal standing to “collect any obligation and money due the regulated entity” 12 U.S.C. 4617(b)(2)(B)(ii); see also Federal Housing Finance Agency v. UBS Americas (2nd Cir. 2013). The US Congress, by passage of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act 2008 (“HERA”) created a ‘field of preemption” and a ‘conflict preemption’ relating to anything involving Fannie and Freddie (see Federal Housing Finance Agency v. City of Chicago (N.D. Ill 2013 – memorandum opinion) and Congress stripped all courts of jurisdiction to do anything that interferes with the stautory duties of the FHFA conservator. In other words if the FHFA conservator is not present and participating in a foreclosure action — the courts have no jurisdiction. See 12 U.S.C. 4617(f).

    Enjoy my friends



  15. Can you file a motion to dismiss a fannie mae complaint due to not being the holder of note and mtg?

    • eggsistense says:

      I am not an attorney and cannot and do not give legal advice. If I were you, I would consult a licensed attorney on these matters and/or legal self-help websites and books.

  16. d bushlow says:

    do you have the original link, from the fannie mae website, for the document from fannie dated feb 6, 2012. would love to have it. cant find it on the web.

    • Wendy S. says:

      If you send me an email with a specific subject line like: Fannie Mae Document dated Feb 6, 2012 and then in the body of the message tell me that I replied to a comment on this site and said I have the Feb 6, 2012 document you’re looking for and can I send it to you, I will do so. Please be specific because as soon as I post this, I will forget about this issue. wendy [at] afnetwork [dot] org

      • Randall says:

        Please send me the document stateing that Fannie mae does not own Notes and whatever else you can. Im fighting them tooth and nail and could use some help. I dont know how to find your Emails to email you so please send to or call 509-879-2306 and leave a message if no answer. You guys are the best. THANKS A BUNCH, This is an old blog so hopefully I get a response.

  17. Wendy says:

    Can you email doc document as well please. My email is thank you

  18. Fannie Mae is own by a pool of investors……. And fannie Mae is the trustee for all the investor ….but I heard a saying. …Rothschild finance one of his own company……..also Fannie Mae is a public company… Offering shares too the public …why don’t u check and see who buying the public shares…..cause it look like ..Fannie Mae is a trustee for a group of public members….the public own this company.

  19. It clearly state what is what .on they report ..that how u a no

  20. It says Fannie Mae is a government sponsored incorp ….so who owns it .who own that company and why is the government helping this company out ??.
    I believe the Illuminati own this company too .

  21. Frank d Roosevelt ….family own chemical bank …..Fannie mae from it history was set up by the government and Mr Roosevelt …….only people from the public get a fein tax ID number .and as u can see Fannie Mae has a tax ID number . if u don’t pay ya mortgage …Fannie Mae a foreclosure u ..on the behalf of what ever money the government is investment in this company …
    Wait on min… Wait a min…Fannie Mae got a loan from the government ..50 billion loan..probly total out too 150 billion back…..n…Fannie Mae could have a refinance too a nother bank or investor ….which fannie Mae may be in well over 600 billion in debt ….but pay close attention too this message ..Fannie Mae will be active ….too ya mortgage .onless they stop paying the parties they owe ..then….who ever got loan ..want own they loans then…those parties ..can…file for a default contact on Fannie Mae and then take the company from them……then….ya money a start going too the new owner of Fannie Mae…but if u don’t pay ya mortgage .u will get forcloser. So pay ya bill..n…if u are in trouble on ya loan…seek out a modification ..or refinance .if u have already did all of this. .then ….u will have too pray too god for u some help ..cause .they will go for foreclosure if they already have help u and u still behind..

  22. What if Fannie Mae is been control by …illegal affairs…say if Fannie Mae soppose too be control by Walter ..but .Marvin foward his name and said Walter told him too control Fannie Mae….what kind of issue this would be…

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